Braves trade Tex

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CoeburnCane</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> That's a good solid trade. You're freaking out over them losing "pop" in the 2nd half of a season where they've fallen out of contention for the playoffs, when you should be looking towards what they did to build for the future to get back into contention. </div></div>

Man, are you unaware that this whole conversation has been because,you are the one who originally said the braves didn't loose alot of pop, when in fact they did loose garaunteed pop, if they could afford it, for several years, there as absolutely no gaurantee to Kotchmans power, which so far, he has had none of...

How did they gain consistancy??? I can't wait to hear this explination....

I will repeat this for the third time, I undersstand the logic to the trade, but lets not act like it is a great deal in the bag...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: neutral88</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Man, are you unaware that this whole conversation has been because,you are the one who originally said the braves didn't loose alot of pop, when in fact they did loose garaunteed pop, if they could afford it, for several years, there as absolutely no gaurantee to Kotchmans power, which so far, he has had none of...</div></div>

Are you unaware of the fact that the Braves are OUT OF CONTENTION THIS SEASON??? It doesn't matter what kind of pop they got or lost, guaranteed or not, because they're out of the race for all intents & purposes. Also--them trading Teixeira is a sign that they KNEW that they couldn't resign him, so unloading him while there was still a market for him (instead of two late-round compensatory picks in the draft), was the best option for them. You're acting like they could have afforded Teixeira, when reality says they couldn't.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How did they gain consistancy??? I can't wait to hear this explination....</div></div>

Less K's, not too awful much less power, comparable fielding--and all for an extended period of time if/when they sign Kotchman long-term. That's more consistent than if they had kept Teixeira and he had hit 50 HR's in the 2nd half and hit .450...because it wouldn't have mattered because they're not going to the playoffs anyways--too many key guys injured, too far out of the race at this point in the season.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I will repeat this for the third time, I undersstand the logic to the trade, but lets not act like it is a great deal in the bag...</div></div>

I hear you on understanding the trade. We can definitely agree to disagree that this is a good or a bad trade. I just think all real-world signs point to this being a positive for the Braves and their future, more than it would have been had they attempted to keep Teixeira and missed on him. Given those circumstances, I think it was a great deal by Schuerholz--you can think it was a lateral move or just a good move if you wish, but no way that the Braves actually "lost" on this one given all the circumstances.

The Braves lost a lot of pop for 2 months. Really thats all. There was a 95% chance the Braves wouldn't get Tex to resign because they couldn't afford him in the offseason. They gave up 4 players for him and relief pitcher last year. They needed to get something back for him this season since they will not be making the playoffs. Is Kotchman as good as Tex? No. Is it better to get him for Tex than to get nothing for Tex? Yes.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1inStripes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is it better to get him for Tex than to get nothing for Tex? Yes. </div></div>

That is exactly what I've been trying to say Stripes....This was not a gain, heck no where near a lateral...It was not a good trade, simply the best they could do with the situation...

The actuall truth is, they have lost their A$$es on the whole deal, but it was the best they could do givin their circumstances...

Compairing Tex to Kotchman and trying to make it look likt Kotch isn't much different is a different story all together...

I won't say they have lost their asses. If Saltalamacchia was playing better for Texas then I would agree. The way I look at it, is what they gave up for Tex versus what they got for him. Right now, as a whole as a Braves fan we can call it a win. You would like to get more for Tex than you did, but the market isn't there this year. They wanted Connor Jackson from the Dbacks for Tex who is a solid young player. Kotchmann isn't terrible. Not as much power, but a decent average who now lets them forget about 1b to go get a quality starting pitcher next year and a corner outfield. Possibly trade Franceour if he doesn't show improvement before the end of the year as well.

As much as I would hate to lost Ohman, he will be traded by tomorrow and will probably draw a better player/players than Tex did to be honest.

I won't call the Tex deal a loss though because what we sent Texas for Tex hasn't panned out.

One intersting stat when comparing Kotchman to Tex is that even though they have similar AB's for the season, Tex has hit with 126 extra men on base on the season. You put Kotchman in there in Tex's spot with his opportunities and I don't think the stats would vary too much. Keep in mind Chipper was hitting over .400 for most of the year and that has elevated Tex's numbers all season long.

a man can mix the numbers around anyway he wished...

Kotch has no where near the power, and nowhere near the OBP...

As far as man for man Kotch vs Tex, there is really no comparison, or no extra shelf life on Kotch, if anything, he is scarier because of his history if illness and injury, which is one of the worst in the last 3 years of the MLB....The numbers are gauranteed from Tex, who knows about Kotch, Not saying it won't happen, but Kotch could very easily, and very likely hit less than 20 homers next year...Tex will hit over 30, and the year after that, and the year after that....

I fully understand that this is what the Bravos had to do, and all in all Kotch is probably a better player than what they lost for Tex...But he's not a Tex, in no way shape form or fashion, and that's all I've been trying to say all day, the player vs player coulda shoulda woulda comparisons are crazy... At this point, or in three years for that matter (Tex is young too), Tex is the gauranteed producer...You could very very easily never hear the name Kotch again after next year...

I never said the Braves haven't done the right thing, all I've said is the player production comparisons are not needed, there is no comparison...

IMO, Texiera isn't a great player...he's good but nothing to lose sleep over trading.

I don't care what you say. You give player A more AB's with runners on base vs player B and player A will drive in more runs than player B 99% of the time especially when player A & B have the almost identical averages. That is just the way it is.

As far as the trade, I think it is a good move. You are getting a chance at a good corner infielder that could be a cornerstone player and a possible relief prospect vs. keeping Tex and then letting him go scott free at the end of the year and not getting anything in return. That is a no brainer IMO. The season is already lost so great move.

Nobody still understands what I'm saying...

I KNOW THE BRAVES HAD TO DO THIS....IT WAS AS GOOD OF A MOVE AS THEY COULD MAKE AT THE TIME....

Twist the numbers anyway you like, Tex has a magnitude more power, is feared more, and has a huge OB% advantage over this guy... Kotch is only 2 years younger than Tex and has never hit more than 12 hrs in his life...Tex has never hit less than that before the all-star break..Period....

I just don't understand the "Ah we didn't loose much" mentality...Or the "Ah Kotch is just as good, and could be better"

Again I undertand Tex was gonna have to leave after this year anyway, I just don't understand the "Oh Kotch is just as good" attitude...

No, he's not, he's not even close....
Will he ever be, maybe
Is he way behind where Tex was at his age??? I think Tex hit 43 homers at 1 year younger than Kotch...